14 responses to “Urban Pathways Devt at 3469 Cannon Place”

  1. Terry Stoeth

    Thanks so much for all this information. It is very helpful, and is so important for the neighborhood to be aware of this type of development.
    So, who wrote this entry? Want to thank you personally.
    Terry

  2. FORMER FIPNA PRESIDENT

    AS WITH EVERY DEVELOPMENT WITHIN AN ESTABLISHED COMMUNITY, THERE ARE PROS FOR DEVELOPMENT AND THERE ARE CONS AGAINST DEVELOPMENT.. WHY IS IT THAT CANNON HEIGHTS WAS NEVER ABLE TO DEVELOP AND BUILD ON THEIR ADJACENT PROPERTY ???? BUT NOW THEY WANT TO COME IN AND BASICALLY BUILD A HOMELESS SHELTER IN THE MIDDLE OF A MIDDLE INCOME WORKING CLASS COMMUNITY????? DON’T WE ALREADY HAVE SCATTER SITE HOUSING ON FT. INDEPENDENCE?????APPARENTLY THIS DEVELOPMENT IS BASED IN MANHATTAN, WHY DON’T THEY BUILD IN MANHATTAN???? WHY HERE????? AS FAR AS REPUTATIONS GO..KHRRC USED TO HAVE A STELLAR REPUTATION..AND YOU SEE HOW THAT WENT….THERE ARE MANY ISSUES THAT HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED….#1 IS PARKING…IN AN ALREADY OVERWHELMED COMMUNITY, THE LACK OF PARKING IS A VERY SERIOUS ISSUE.THERE MUST BE PARKING FOR THE STAFF AND FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT..#2 THERE MUST BE SOME FORM OF INGRESS AND EGRESS FROM THE FORT INDEPENDENCE SIDE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT..EVERY LARGE BUILDING IN THE AREA HAS TWO MEANS OF ENTERING OR EXITING THE BUILDING..#3 THE ASTHETICS OF THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT ARE THEY GOING TO MAINTAIN THE SURROUNDING AREA????? #4 SECURITY..WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AND OUTSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY…..AND IS IT 24/7 ???? #5 IS IT TRULY A TRANSITIONAL FACILITY OR IS IT A TRANSIENT FACILITY??? #6 HOW IS THIS GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL TO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE???? THESE ARE JUST A FEW OF THE MANY ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BEFORE THIS DEVELOPMENT BECOMES A REALITY…TO BE CONTINUED..

  3. Phil

    Don’t they realize that other developers have tried and failed to build “On Top” of the rock that is there! The subterranean rock is not stable enough to build on without some excavation.

    Also a setback of 35′ from Cannon Place, is that even possible given the narrowness of the lot? I can’t believe it would even be legal to build a facility without an entrance on both sides.

    It should be interesting to see what the developers have to say at the meeting.

    This neighborhood and surrounding areas are already saturated with these types of facilities, do we really need another? The smaller one that has been built on Cannon & Orloff still remains vacant.

    I hate to be the one that screams “Not In My Backyard” but it is about time someone speaks up and says “Enough is Enough” already! This neighborhood has become so over developed with these bigger developments and vacant lots of the big dreams these developers had for what? How many more construction sites are we going to have with boarded up fences sitting idle while the developers decide what they are going to do, or worse walk away because they could not do what they wanted to do in the first place.

  4. Ryan Graham

    Dear Margaret (or FIPNA spokesperson),

    I heard you speak December 9 at the Community Board meeting, and I your comments of wanting to understand more about this development before attacking it.

    I agree that a well-run building on the site could enhance the street and the experience of walking by it at night. However what our neighborhood ideally needs is permanent neighbors who share our concerns and goals for our community: people who are invested in making our area better.

    The New York University study says that supportive housing may have a positive effect on real estate values if it is sensitively incorporated into the community. Applying this to Urban Pathways, their project would necessarily need to include features for neighborhood enhancement: retail services (a cafe, bookstore, grocery); parking; even a small public esplanade or park to take advantage of the splendid views.

    If the Urban Pathways project doesn’t enhance the neighborhood in some important way, prospective buyers may be frightened away from investing and living here.

    Thanks for the opportunity for discussion.

  5. Kristin Hart

    I live on Cannon Place, and was at the meeting last night. It was amazing to see the community come together like that.

    I support your message that we “not rush to judgment” (I personally did not oppose the idea of supportive housing on that site, though it’s directly across the street from the home where I am raising my children; it is the SIZE of the project that frightens me). However I felt that your words undermined the community’s message to Urban Pathways– the message that we DO NOT WANT THIS HERE AND WE WILL FIGHT IT.

    Frankly I am SHOCKED that you appear to be positioning yourself in support of this project.

    Is the Fort Independence Park Neighborhood Association endorsing this project?

  6. Kristin Hart

    Does Urban Pathways already OWN this lot?
    Is it a done deal?
    I am devastated by this.
    I’ll go crazy if I have to wait until January 11 to get more information.

  7. Phil

    I would just like to state for the record that FIPNA has not yet taken a position on the Urban Pathways proposal. We feel that there is much more information about this project that we need to know. Unfortunately, while we had another member of FIPNA’s leadership at the Dec 9th meeting, she was not able to speak (due to the large crowd). She was the one who distributed the flyers to all the neighbors up and down Cannon Place.

    As you know, we are all volunteers and live in the area. You may be able to notice from our web site, that there are many issues that concern our organization. More importantly, it is critical that we continue to promote a fair exchange of ideas on the web. Your contribution is a welcomed addition.

    We have many questions concerning this project, which is why we expect people to continue to attend meetings and/or comment on our blog.

    We need to know all the details of the financing concerning this project, such as who is providing the money to purchase the property and from whom, how much money is being provided to build it, is it a set amount, what will happen if more money is needed for construction, why does this need to be a mixed use facility, and will Urban Pathways always be responsible for running this facility. We feel that the more you know about who is involved in a project like this, the better. We also have problems with the scale of the project, which will loom over a very small street, cutting off both light and air, as well as the saturation issues concerning clustering three low income housing sites and/or two mental health facilities within a one to two block radius, which needs to be addressed.

    In the end the question isn’t whether the Urban Pathways organization is good or bad, but whether this site is appropriate for this project.

    Regards,
    Phil
    —-
    Philip M. McDonnell
    F.I.P.N.A. – President
    “Neighbors Working Together”

  8. Kristin Hart

    Thank you, Phil.
    I agree. The core issue is that the site is totally inappropriate for this project. That is obvious.

    And it was obvious from the numbers and the mood at the meeting how the community feels. For those who were not there, the room was absolutely packed beyond capacity, and the mood was enraged.

    My concern is that if FIPNA does not take a clear and early stance against this building, it will actually undermine the community’s effort to protect its own interest.

    You are the ones who have an organization in place,a proven track record of getting things done, a relationship with elected officials, etc.

    If we have to create another organization from scratch, and also fight against your perceived neutrality…

    If this building goes up, we will have to live with it, our children will have to live with it, for generations to come.

    While I appreciate your work on behalf of the strikers, and on the living wage issue at the Kingsbridge Armory, please remember your core mission:

    “The Fort Independence Park Neighborhood Association is a community group dedicated to preserving and improving the quality of life for residents of our historic community.”

    This is a key moment in the life of our neighborhood. We have no time to waste.

  9. Karen

    I checked the record and it appears that Urban Pathways do not own the lot YET. Maybe we can put up the link to the ownership record on that lot, but you can check it on ACRIS.

    It does not look like this is a done deal. There are approvals needed on many fronts. If we had more info on what program they are using, we would be in a better position.

  10. Kristin Hart

    Well that is good news!
    When I tried to find the BBL on ACRIS for 3469 Cannon Place, I couldn’t find it. Do you know the block number, etc.

    How can we get more information about what program they are using? Should we go directly to Urban Pathways and ask them?

  11. karen

    check today’s blog

  12. karen

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